Status of Os2 Anime

[summary]As some of you may know, more than half of our online anime episodes have disappeared practically over night. Please read the full story for more information and an explanation.[/summary]

29 June 2006 -- Latest announcement

Long story short: Another site copied our index (seemingly not uncommon) of episodes, the media got wind of it because it also had a large library of American episodes, and YouTube had to remove it or the media would have been all over it. Because their copied index had our episodes, the episodes are no longer available here.

Conclusion: We will be sustaining this feature for a while but we have NO OTHER PLANS to sustain the viewing of anime via other mediums. DO NOT SUGGEST HOSTING EPISODES. DO NOT SUGGEST UPLOADING TO ANOTHER SITE. DO NOT SUGGEST BUILDING A PRIVATE INDEX. WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN YOU ADVERTISING YOUR DL/ONLINE ANIME SITE.

And a last note: We were the FIRST AND FOREMOST index of YouTube-hosted anime. Several exact unauthorized copies of our index have been created (about all sites with "online anime episodes by YouTube" are not original in index).

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EXPLANATION

CNet News ran an article about YouTube.com, the source and host of all our anime, and another website (will not be named) that indexed episode content very similarly to what is done here. In response, YouTube made sure to have the "links dead".

The problem stems from the fact that this other website had an unauthorized copy of our index (which was produced entirely by ourselves) from a while back, and YouTube had direct access to all the episodes of this index. Because the bulk of the episode links have not changed between the old stolen index and that one we had more recently, the purge affected our index immensely. Only 39.2% of our index remains; 137 series were wiped.

It is unfortunate that we had to present this loss to our users in such a sudden and unexpected manner. It is to our dismay that we are no longer able to provide very much access to those who are unable to purchase or otherwise obtain anime due to economic and social reasons of their community or country. Fifty-percent of our visitors were foreign, with a large number of them visiting from developing countries where the availability of anime is less than plausible.

We will continue to run our service for as long as possible. We thank the community for their support.

We apologize for not making an official release at an earlier time but we've been tied up with other matters not related to Os2 Anime and/or Keiichi Anime Forever.

In the mean time, please check out our online anime magazine, FaceFault.

Or, you can help out and submit episodes.

OBJECTIVE POINTS

WE ARE NOT SHUTTING DOWN THE WEBSITE.

WE CAN NOT FIX THIS EASILY. We cannot provide immediate replacements for the lost episodes; do NOT ask.

DO NOT PLAY THE BLAME GAME ON CNET OR YOUTUBE. Journalists have the right to write. YouTube has the right to keep up its policies. You also want YouTube to stay up, not sued by rash decisions.

DO NOT THREATEN ANY PARTY PUBLICLY HERE. Do not write anything we have to censor.

ALL OTHER YOUTUBE-POWERED ONLINE ANIME SITES ARE PROBABLY RIP-OFFS. Several sites, just like the one CNET featured, has also taken our index, and offer LESS. If the list is similar to ours (especially if it has "Anime Sampler"), you can expect it was a copy of our index. None of these sites have the speed of update, quality, or technical expertise of us here.

THERE ARE SITES YOU CAN DOWNLOAD ANIME FROM. Check out http://www.animesuki.com.

DO NOT ADVERTISE YOUR SITE.

IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. Things happen, and we're quite reserved ourselves.

I've been using this site for a while, and I'm wonder if the site will be shut down any time soon as a result of this?

Is there any chance that you will be able to re-load the anime that was lost? I was watching Wolf's Rain myself, and I wanted to see that 4th Inuyasha movie.

It makes me sad that most of the series have been purged; it is to my hope that the anime can return. I was in the middle of watching Onegai Teacher until its sudden disappearence. Wellm good luck to you guys. It makes me sad that this has happened.

I just want to say thank you for keeping the site up as long as you guys have. I enjoyed many of the series although it has only been a few days since it was shown to me. I appreciate all your work.

Good Luck!

Damn this sucks. I only made it to Bleach Episode 23. Well I hope things get better. This site is still gonna be my homepage regardless. Best of luck, staff.

Didn't this site operate by having users upload videos to youtube from this site? Well, couldn't users just upload the anime again (assuming they still had it)? And if the probelm is with YouTube, wouldn't it be possible for you guys to go to another video site? I mean, there are several others besides YouTube (Eyespot, Grouper, Jumpcut, Ourmedia, Revver, Videoegg, Vimeo, vSocial, and I am sure that there are others), I am sure one of them would be accomidating. Although, I may be missinterpreting the situation.

Anyway, thanks for everything you guys have done, do, and will continue doing in the future, you guys are great.

Quoted Guest (on Jun 14 2006, 08:54 PM) —

Damn this sucks. I only made it to Bleach Episode 23. Well I hope things get better. This site is still gonna be my homepage regardless. Best of luck, staff.

I made it about there as well until the notices started coming up, but then I searched YouTube.com and found other people that have uploaded the episodes as well. I am on 41 now, however that episode is nowhere to be found on youtube.com. ;

I have been watching for a while now and I just wanted to say thanks for all the hard work you have put into this great site.

This really sucks! I was only on episode 32 of Bleach! Now I don't know where to go! But still, you guys keeping the site up and running is great. Thanks!

Gyah.


Well, hope that everything can get back running again sometime. This site has been so awesome.

Just when I found the complete series of RahXephon.

Oh well, I hope some of the anime gets reuploaded and you guys can link to it. If not, oh well.

Meh well I hope this whole problem gets fixed, I really liked KAF. Guess I'll have to do it "manually" from youtube page. Most members are actually re-uploading anime Let's just hope Youtube doesn't "kill" links again. And most anime that was deleated were popular series.. ;_;...So.. what can I do other than wishing Good Luck and if possible update Yah I know it's very demanding... I live in Mexico where anime is almost inexistant. All we got is Toonami 8-) but there's no Naruto meh they just recently aired One Piece!! Only anime worth seeing was Rurouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Love Hina(The dub is horrendus)Dub<<<<<Sub<<<Manga

(Isn't it amazing, the number of guests that have replied to this particular announcement?" )

Yes, it IS copyright infringement to upload anime series to YouTube, and it IS illegal (and furthermore, YouTube's terms of service deliberately mention that when new users sign up for YouTube, so there's no excuse). I can't blame them for following through with what the law requires them to do.

But thank you for the explanation. At least now people can understand a little more about why so many episodes were terminated.

-Dizzy-

Quoted Cermer (on Jun 14 2006, 11:07 PM) —

Meh well I hope this whole problems gets fixed, I really liked KAF. Guess I'll have to do it "manually" from youtube page. Most members are actually re-uploading anime Let's just hope Youtube doesn't "kill" links again. And most anime that was deleated were popular series.. ;_;...So.. what can I do other than wishing Good Luck and if possible update  Yah I know it's very demanding... I live in Mexico where anime is almost inexistant. All we got is adult swim 8-) but there's no Naruto meh they just recently aired One Piece!! Only anime worth seeing was Rurouni Kenshin, Yu Yu Hakusho, and Love Hina(The dub is horrendus)Dub<<<<<Sub<<<Manga

A lot of unpopular series were deleted as well. It really depended on what was on the old version of our index.

YouTube only killed the links because the media caught wind of a site that hosted American content. They could give a hoot about anything foreign, which is both fortunate and unfortunate. I have no position to hold on this matter really.

-Sigh- Just when vacation were bout to start ;_; Yah I kinda noticed.. But I think the upload of anime in Youtube is being constant so I predict that in a couple of weeks/months this would be solved. That's if youtube does nothing about it...
Umm if it's possible you could open the suggestion box or is it closed forever?

To all the staffs [of Keiichi Anime Forever]: we could not thank you enough. You made it easier for all of us and saved us alot of time. Thank you! No words can express how grateful I am to all of you.

Eh... I don't really get whats going on, but basically YouTube had to wipe everything, right? And everything is gone for good? Or is stuff gonning slowly come back and after so-so amount o' time and everything is gonning be like it was before...? Or is everything over?

Also I guess I've been watching a lot of the series for a long time, and I'm really grateful for it all, I have enjoyed a lot of series, and I hoped to enjoy a lot more... But I am grateful, so thank you guys! ^^;

I just found out this site 2 weeks ago.
I realy love it here.
I was watching Bleach and I have never seen so much episodes before.
I just could watch 10 episodes a day. Normally I must download them in a day.
I heard someone saying that he/she lives in Mexico.
And that there is no anime there.
We never had in this country anime.
Only Dragonball Z but I think evry country had that on t.v.

Whoah....I never seen such a guest rush......amazing.

Goodness, it's such a loss. This is the only site where I can watch my favorite animes. I hope all that's loss will comeback. This is the best anime site ever.

I second that, Hell. The whole first page besides SK's post was Guests, just goes to show where the 100+ guests go xD

I found a really good site for hosting videos. My name on the site is rynakossori and the link is http://livedigital.com

They seem a bit more lenient. I actually have hentai posted on that site, and they have yet to remove it. I think the site is either fairly new, or just doesn't have a lot of popularity.. They haven't sold themselves out to ads like youtube has.. thats probably why.

Live digital gives 1gig of space, and has a rank system where you can earn up to 5gigs of space if you're popular enough. It also has 'connection' lists (friends), a profile space (blog, too). You can upload not only movies, but music and pictures as well. Check it out! Please, please.

http://livedigital.com

Well, I'm sorry that this had to happen to you all at Os2 and Keiichi. I've been a patron for about a week, and this really is too bad. Thank you for your hard work and dedication, and I hope your future projects flourish. I'll keep checking back here in hopes of a solution.

Sincerly,
Kristy.

It was a nice website... Probably one of the best.. I was really surprised when i stumbled upon this website.. so cool like a dream Really sad to know that so many shows were removed... But still.. Want to thank the Staff of this website..for making such a wonderful video paradise or anime paradise Haha thanks alot..

Chobits and Canvas2 Former addict?

This site was a dream; thank you all. But still, I'm frustrated... but with nothing to do with you guys. I'll come once in a while to see if you can at least restore some of it, or... whatever.

I want to thank the person/s who uploaded all those Card Captor Saukura episodes... You guys are so awesome; I just wished I could have finished it.

This is awful... I was sooo happy when I first discovered this site because the anime fandom is not that well developed in my country. There are fans, sure, but few and far in between and there is no way we can purchase anime at the store: there are none! So the only way to enjoy our favourite anime series is on the internet. Torrents are slow, really really slow, and by the time you actually get the series you can lose interest (yes, that's how long it takes). You guys did e really great thing here..... I'm still keeping you on my bookmarks (I still have 35 episodes of Inuyasha to watch ). Hopefully this will be only a temporary thing... Best of wishes to all the Staff

From Spain:

I miss Boy Over Flowers, Paradise Kiss and Peach girl (pity)

See you.

[Moderator's note: This is a response to previous ranting posts (which now have been deleted)]

It's not really nice that you ask for them for the anime back at all without thanking them, of course if they can they will try to fix everything and turn everything back to the way we loved it, instead of saying "I'm so depressed without it" you should be saying "Thank you very much" yes complaining helps us vent, but think about the guys who worked hard to put all this together.

And who knows if they can fix it at all, if not then DAMMIT lol, if they can then just wait for them to do it, but be grateful to them, cuz if they didnt do this fer us then we wouldnt even have anything to complain about...

My point! : Just say Thank you

I can't get that BitTorrent thing to work for me. I was happy to find this site, but then you guys had this before I even finished one episode. Is there any other site that has episodes online? My mom hates when I download things from the internet. (By the way, I was watching Inuyasha.)

Aw man, this blows, BIG TIME. All Canada gets is dubs, but oh well. *sigh* And I was so looking forward to today because I was just about to see Orochimaru getting pwned by the 3rd Hokage! (from Naruto =D)

Good things don't last long, I guess. In any case, thanks for everything. After all, it was thanks to you guys that I was able to watch a lot Sailor Moon episodes I had missed, and the original nontheless! =)

So thanks, and I wish you the best .

Yes, this happened to me yesterday in the middle of watching Bleach. At first I thought it was just an update for the site. After repeated tries to get it back I took to Youtube and found that most episodes were deleted. Also on there were episodes that were not. If you go to youtube and type in the series name and what episode number, you will usually get a result that has not been deleted. Thanks sk for trying to set this straight. I know you and other members of Keiichi try your hardest!

Quoted Guest_Drakkeness (on Jun 15 2006, 03:40 AM) —

  I was in the middle of watching Kyo Kara Maoh, up to ep 45...Will you be able to get the missing episodes and series' back? You had such a great range and I rely heavily on this site for my anime intake since my country has virtually none available..

Use youtube.com or visit http://www.download-anime.prv.pl/.

That sucks. I really enjoyed watching via this site. Ah well, you guys still have some series I haven't seen.

Hmm. I think I'm going to be buying all Ranma 1/2 seasons. This site had three seasons but there's seven. It will cost me $875.04 CAD ($749 USD) for all seven seasons at $107 each season. Bleh. It's lots of money but I love Ranma 1/2 that much

First off, Thank you Keiichi for such an amazing site. I have been watching anime since 1990 and was just recently informed of this site 2 weeks ago. I have been watching Bleach up until ep. 40 yesterday and everything went spiraling out of control after that. I hope things get back to normal for you and us -The many fans that will stay loyal and currently have a gaping hole in our heart-. Do it quick before we turn into Hollows.

Strado

So this explains it! Haha, oh well. I guess I'll just have to make up the rest of the 49 Rurouni Kenshin episodes in my head. XD I was on 51.

For some reason, when I first found this site I almost knew it was too good to be true. While I don't know how long all that anime has been up there, I'm still glad I was able to watch 51 episodes of RK. ^.^ Although he was RIGHT in the middle of a battle with Aoshi...dangit.

I thank all the staff here, and really pray that you'll maybe work something out. I feel bad for all the people in other countries who don't even have access to anime...


*gives high fives to everyone out there* But yeah, someone mentioned earlier that there are other movie hosts other than YouTube. Maybe you'll work something out in the future. I hope so!

Damn; this is awful. I only made it to episode 34 of Bleach and now I have to wait till the DVDs come out. This was the place where I tried watching new anime, but now I'll have to resort to waiting for hours on LimeWire.

Noeh! Why now? I was in the middle of peach girl T-T
bittorent sucks so much if you get use to this service! XD
well....we have to keep our heads up, although anime is almost not excisting here in the Netherlands -.-'

Well, we're going to try our best!

Hey look, turns out I was already registered... xD..

Anyway, is it possible we find another site to upload all our movies to? That'd mean getting into contact with the people who had them though... Who may not even have them anymore.. =/

That stinks. I was in the middle of Naruto. I just wanted stop by to say thanks for the rest of the other series.

Is it possible to get that site link you were talking about? And can you give us links to where the original stuff came from?

Can't Keiichi just reload all of the anime that was lost or is that not possible? My next comment is this, can't we as a community just suppliment for their losses together? I think that together if we work together then we can save them! If just 1% of the Keiichi community sends in just one of the lost episodes, then everything should be back to normal! Can I have an amen?

Together, we can save Keiichi one episode submission at a time! Come on, it's not like none of you have any anime downloaded on your computers that you don't mind sharing (wink wink)

Thank you Keiichi for having so much anime to watch. ^^ I was very happy with a friend of mine showed me this site, especially since I was a big fan of Inuyasha ^^ (and I have not luck in getting anime here).

However, I see that youtube has deleted alot of anime which is very unforunate for other watchers.

I can if it is any help, upload on youtube the english dubbed version on Inuyasha up to episode 107 and if I am lucky I can find the movies as well (I think they are subtitled English). I believe I also have some episodes of Trigun as well as sy-cr-ed and maybe a few others (not sure ).

But I will be more than happy to upload them on to youtube and submit them to this site ^^

I don't know how but I am willing it is the least I could do (I think ^^ just message me if I can be any help ^^

I must watch more Bleach! I was so close to getting to the end too! I was on episode 75 or something (and when I stopped, the Japanese were on Episode 78!). I was so close to catching up!

We must help them catch up to where they used to be by resending everything that was lost.

Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's best anime website. Keiichi anime forever will be that site. Better than it was before. Better, stronger, larger.

I say, we gather our anime together and help them out! If we can't give money, they at least deserve our anime not just for the site but for each other!

I say we stand on (or sit in our chairs, since we're anime dorks ) and send in the anime that is required to rebuild the site to its previous glory!

I think that if we all do work together, we will truly see how great it was destined to be

Sometimes the subtitles are small to see from youtube. This site provides the large screen so you can see the subtitles.
The animes that are deleted will be back soon.

Quoted Dark_Warrior (on Jun 15 2006, 11:32 AM) —

Sometimes the subtitles are small to see from youtube. This site provides the large screen so you can see the subtitles.
The animes that are deleted will be back soon.

She is right. Most of the users that had uploaded them may problably upload them again.

anyway i alredy said thatnks for giving us(guests,not even memebers let alone friends)
to watch anime.
without this site(ppl who created it, and ppl who submited)
it wouldn't be possible for me to enjoy anime at all.
i do hope you'll be able to somehow recover from this.
you shouldn't give up because of this.
forum is important, as are anime news but remember this:reason why ppl love this place and join this forum is watching anime online here.

thank you , again.
and for your own onterests, try to recover.
nad being unselfish enough to allow guests to post and watch anime here, you deserve alll the praise you can get.
because unselfishness today is rare.
i don't know if it means anything to you guys, but i've enjoyed so musch watching anime from here(laughed, cryed, biting my nails...) and all the joy i felt came becouse of you guys.
thank you and "get better soon"

Quoted Frostburn (on Jun 15 2006, 12:02 PM) —

Because KAF is a community, and what community just sits around watching TV without talking? Please try to think of the obviously stupid questions you ask before you ask them, it makes you seem less idiotic. Now for the love of God. SHUT UP ABOUT THE ANIME. It's gone! That's it! Go do something productive!

The other forum I am a member of is no better, most of the users only go there to download and that is all, rarely do we see post or any activity from them.

But he does have a slight point, there is no reason to come here and post demanding for anime to be brought again, as well you shouldn't ask for people to give you links for other anime sites that is not fair for this site. At the moment I am sure that KAF is doing what they can with the anime, but you have to give them time. The anime was here, surely didn't just appear all of the sudden, it took people time to organize and so on and so forth. So please do not whine and complain and let KAF have time to sort and figure out what they are going to do with the Anime, and in the meantime join the forums, post and roleplay I did ^^ (hence newbie status woot!).

the most of your anime is from you tube right?
and if i upload some vid's then it would be good for all you guy's right?
if that is right i can upload a lot anime. ( 25 GIG and stilll growing )
but i tried before to upload somti'n at you tube ...but i don't know how , i get stuck all the time...
I have tried to make a user but i don't think it worked.
If some of you can post somti'n about how ya can upload it?
I would be very pleased if some of you did that.
please tell met everything in detail before i get stuck again ( that would be the 5th time )
i hope that you all will see a diference (if it all works out)

i will be looking for a response.

Thank-you for all the work put into this site for everyone to view and enjoy. Even though lots of series got deleted i had a wonderful time watching them. I loved how this site was really organized and everything was easy to find. Sorry for all the stuff that got deleted.
Good luck !

<3 b e b e

I guess I'll take this opportunity to say thank you! I found this site last week and luckily had just finished watching Magic Knight Rayearth before it was removed. I was really getting into Eureka 7 though, but even still, this site is an amazing resource and I was so glad to find it. Despite the removal of the anime, I have to take my hat off to you guys. You do an amazing job and I hope I can find some way to help you out!

Maiku Seraph

Hypothetically, if we download episodes, could we somehow submit then to KAF? Is there any possible way maybe doing that in the future?

I come from Germany an i love this page ... please bring back the animes ...
Its the best Page in web !:first:

Chobits , Ragnarok , Ranma , Sailor Moon ... oh please bring back

Thank you for all your hard work to make this wonderfull page for us !


Big greats from Germany

This site has introduced me to so many wonderful series and I thank it for that. I'm happy that it's still remaining open, and that not all of the index was destroyed. It is just a pity that I was in the middle of a series when it was cut off.

From Puerto Rico and my source for anime is lost but I will still come with hopes of continue whatching what has survived and what will return.

Wow. My luck sucks. I just discovered this site two days ago. June 13. A day before they got rid of all of this. I put it in my favorites immediately, read all the shows offered, gaped, gasped, and jumped up and down with glee.

The next day, it's all gone.

My luck sucks.

This, and other anime series onlinese are a very important thing to communities around thw world, distributing access to often unnatainable content otherwise.

I suggest a move over to RapidShare or similar. I am aware that you recently lost a countless number of series but I am more than capable of uploading to RapidShare without any need for hesitation.

If this sounds like something you as a site would be interested in, count me in and send me an email!

ashes-the-rain-and-i at hotmail *dot* co --dot-- uk

Let's keep the ball rolling here!

It is pretty unfortunate of what happened to the website. To whomever that is reading this, let the guy in charge of the site know that if there is any way I could help, contact me at a_shaon12 at hotmail (dot) com. For example, although Gundam Seed Destiny is not there anymore, I have a few episodes of it in my computer archives. Likewise with Naruto!

Hope this is able to be fixed! I have faith in The Crew, and I know it will be up soon! Have to finish watching Bleach after all!

I found this site maybe around Feb/March of this year and I was so happy about it. Thank you SO much for posting animes for free to watch. I used to watch my stuff at animecrave befor they went 'Pay to Watch', then I found this site months later.

I'm really happy I was able to actually watch episodes 1-84 of Bleach and to finally get a chance to watch Yu Yu Hakusho and some of Tenchi Muyo in english (I've wanted to see those since I was in 6th grade)

It is a shame though, because I was watching Full moon Wo Sagashite, Get Backers, Gundam Seed Destiny, Noir, Outlaw Star, Peach Girl (which I can still find those last 2 on youtube thank god), Kyou Kara Maou, Azumanga Daioh and Hikaru No Go. I'm happy with the ones I actually was able to complete though.

Again, thanks for uploading all of those great animes for free.

Yarrg...

Well, guess it's back to torrents for me... But if we're ever able to upload episodes again, just say so. Hopefully someone's already started on their own. I've got every episode of Bleach, for example.

Is there anything we can do to help? It seems that most are just whining about the series they lost, blah blah. I think everyone feels the same way, so how about we ask if we can help? Maybe there's nothing we can do, but we can still offer. I am more then willing to do what I can.

If the Os2's are gone-its a loss- but really, this is crazy. Suck it up a bit, its a regret, but its not like you'll never see the anime again. Currently theres nothing anyone can do about it now, youtube is very cautious now. So, we should just wait and see, and if there ever is no Os2's anymore, so be it. So long as Kaf in general doesn't go.

I hate people who just steals others hard work and takes the credits from KAF and Os2 and from YouTube (which is also one of my fav pages for funny things and AWM).
Down with to the ground with the fakers, those damn thieves.
I hope KAF, YouTube and Os2 will figure something out . KAF FOREVER.

I will keep on hoping for KAF/Os2 to recover

Big fan of KAF/YouTube/Os2

I was smack in the middle of Naruto :'(

Well, good luck on getting your site up and running again! I'll come back when it does, but until then, I'll check this site every day

Is there any way for you to provide a list of the anime lost? Maybe some of us can somehow provide some help.

Why such so long faces for Naruto episodes? I got about every Naruto episode up-to-date that can be uploaded if you want, although it might take some time. Otherwise, I can point you to http://www.animeupload.com to download the episodes. I mostly come to KAF to watch when I don't want to waste time downloading.

I appreciate all your efforts on KAF and I hope that you will get your media back some day and that everybody will be happy again ^^.

I take my hat off for KAF and bow deeply... Thank you for your great work!

I am so sorry for you loss. It sucks rocks. I have enjoyed your site to the fullest these past few weeks and have watched 112 episodes of Inuyasha.

Let me tell ya, after 10 hours a day restoring houses in New Orleans, I'd come home, kick back and watch Inuyasha episodes till I fell asleep. Its like I got a vacation away from this broken city every night (rather than drinking myself stupid which is what I did prior to discovering you).

Anyways, you folks rock! Let me know if there is anything I can do to help you rebuild what you lost. I know exactly how it feels to take a huge loss. But you know what? You and I are gonna come back strong! Don't let anybody tell you different! There are a ton of people rooting for you! Hey, can we send you donations? Will that help?

Like alot of people here, I have only been aware of this website for little over a week or more. These deletions come at an unfortunate time, and no single person is to blame.

Because of the services of YouTube and this fine establishment, I have been able to watch 4 complete anime series I would not have been able to otherwise. While I am of the belief that you should buy an anime upon viewing and reviewing it, I also consider those who are not financially able to, the material is not available to them, and this is the only alternative.

My heart goes out to them as well.

I'd just like to say thank you, and inquire, perhaps in a more professional way than anyone else has tried, what this site plans to do from here on out about this issue.

While no explanation is necessarily owed, I think it may calm down some of these more frantic users who are babbling and not making any sense.

If you would be so good as to humor us and give us some sort of plan, at least vaguely, of what you can and cannot do about this, and what you intend to do, I'm sure your members will appriciate it, even if theres very little you can do in actuality. Just hearing it will put some at ease.

I also notice that this topic is slowly being deleted one page at a time (it had 9 pages and now only has 5), which means my post may be deleted and not given a chance at review or response.

If this is the case, I am not sure whether or not we are allowed to pursue this issue formally at a later date. If not, some clarification of that would certainly be appriciated.

Thank you.

EDIT:

Pursuant to additional answers, I see the original post has been editted to include more information. While most of that information reconciles a majority of the questions, it still does not outline any sort of plan to be executed on this site's behalf.

As I said, such explainations are not owed, and its possible you don't want to tip your hand to the wrong people, but if they are not critical pieces of information, sharing them with your members would probably do away with much of this pressure you are recieving.

Hi there, I just want to say, that if theres anything I can do to help you to rebuild your page, let me join to the fight.

I really want to see again keiichianimeforever in the top, because this is the first page where I saw so many animes, animes that i never taught they exist, thats why i really want to help you, my email is emmanuel_poke90@hotmail.com (well you are the leaders, obviously you may know jeje) and if theres something, anything I can do, please let me know, I have a colecction of episodes of some series, again, please let me know if theres something i can do.

I really love this place, even if you lose are your episodes i will never stop entering this page. Thanks for reading this. Your new member and friend Emmanuel for Mexico jeje.

It is unfortunate to hear this. I was just starting Bleach and a few other series after just watching Naruto. I thank you and the whole staff for all of this. Ever since my friend showed me this site, I have been on it every day. It's hard to find a site that loads as fast and has the quality along with the variety of shows. Well once again, thanks so much. I hope you are able to fix everything.

Amazing how many posts ask the questions that were answered in the original post. anyway, it is quite a shame Keiichi has been doing alot to make its viewers happy. lets hope they / we can all find a new thing thats as easilly accessible as the Os2 anime listing. maybe a collection of mangas might be easier to host? i know i certainly read em. good luck tho x_x

I mean it's really sad... I loved 0s2 and I can't afford to be buying DVDs all the time. I was looking up youtube and I noticed most of the episodes are still there! Hell, all the episodes are still there. I think the KAF crew can fix this with just some time and effort. I really miss Os2.

~Arnaldo Rozon "0m9z I love Z P0k3m5n2!"

Let me see if I can help to clarify things for all those people asking what they can do to help. Keep in mind that I am in no way affiliated with Keiichi Anime Forever, so this isn't an official message from them. In any case, here's how it works:

Previously, KAF's OS2 Anime worked on a very simple principle. The staff and community would browse through YouTube, looking for uploaded anime episodes. These episodes had been uploaded in the past by general YouTube users. The links to those specific episodes were then compiled into an index under a series name, and put up under the OS2 Anime section. This means that the staff of KAF do NOT have the anime episodes stored on their server. It's all stored on YouTube, which is why YouTube could delete it, and KAF cannot restore it. (No backup copies)

As things got more developed, regular members of KAF, in addition to searching YouTube for anime uploaded by other people, also began to share their anime and upload it to YouTube while posting the links to KAF. This allowed KAF regulars to submit episodes through YouTube to the OS2 Anime section. (This was further enhanced just recently by opening OS2 Anime to receive submissions from everyone... but after 700 submissions or so, it was too overwhelming and things reverted back to just a few select people given permission to upload. )

Now, (as far as I can see), KAF can do three things:

1) They can stop the OS2 Anime project, as some older members of the KAF community had suggested. Since OS2 Anime had brought in a lot of "guests" - many of whom were felt to be undesirable (read: immature, ungrateful, spoiled, etc.) - people were thinking of shutting down the OS2 Anime section and becoming a strict anime news and discussion portal (sort of like Anime News Network, I guess...). This idea looked like it was gaining acceptance, just prior to the CNet story. Now, with about 70% of the OS2 Anime database destroyed, the staffers at KAF might either feel so antagonised as to start it all up again just to spite fate, or they might consider this "the straw that breaks the camel's back" and take it as a sign to stop the project.

2) They can encourage people to re-upload whatever anime episodes they have onto YouTube (or some other video-hosting service) and restart the OS2 Anime section just as it was before, should they decide not to stop the OS2 Anime section. This is what the majority opinion seems to be currently among the community (community, not staff... staff have not announced an official opinion yet). However, there are now some problems with this. First, the technical limitations on YouTube of 100MB per file and only certain media extensions being accepted ensures that not everybody who WANTS to upload will be able to. Only those who have some experience with video encoding and compression will probably be able to do so. (I.e. for all of those out there who have 170MB Naruto files you want to upload... sorry, no can do. Likewise, all those that have *.rmvb or *.mkv files. Only *.avi, *.mov and *.mpg files are accepted on YouTube.)

Furthermore, previously KAF got away with building such a large database because YouTube was unaware it existed. Now, however, the staff at YouTube (and probably those other video-hosting services as well) are forewarned and will be actively hunting down and deleting any new additions to the video database that look like anime. And other authorities might also be browsing the net for sites just as KAF, which offer a list of links. Since all of this is infringement of copyright (through unlawful distribution), the authorities may cause legal troubles for KAF if they continue, and/or the re-uploading to YouTube might be met with deletions that can keep pace.

3) They can get their own server storage space and start hosting the anime episodes themselves. This is still copyright infringement, so the issue above about authorities finding out and serving notice to KAF still applies. However, by hosting the anime episodes on their own server space, they have more control over what episodes are deleted and are no longer bound to YouTube. This, of course, raises the issue of WHICH series to host, which is another thorny problem altogether. Also, to actively store as many videos as the OS2 Anime previous had would require a industrial-strength server and network capacity like YouTube has. KAF would never be able to buy it. Even on normal web hosting plans, the sheer bandwidth it would take up would be immense. This would mean hefty amounts of money need to be paid - either through subscription (with KAF becoming a pay-per-view site), or sustained donations from its members. And we all know just how rich watchers of online anime episodes are.

In short, to summarise:
1) Get rid of OS2 Anime.
2) Try to continue as before, while dodging YouTube and reporters.
3) Pay for the ability to store and share anime on their own servers.

Depending on which option (or combination thereof) the KAF staffers pick, all those volunteers to help will be asked to do very different things.

(Note once again that this is just well-researched speculation. It is not officially representing anything but my own opinion.)
-Dizzy-

Quoted Jaded Jones (on Jun 15 2006, 07:03 PM) —

Like alot of people here, I have only been aware of this website for little over a week or more. These deletions come at an unfortunate time, and no single person is to blame.

Because of the services of YouTube and this fine establishment, I have been able to watch 4 complete anime series I would not have been able to otherwise. While I am of the belief that you should buy an anime upon viewing and reviewing it, I also consider those who are not financially able to, the material is not available to them, and this is the only alternative.

My heart goes out to them as well.

I'd just like to say thank you, and inquire, perhaps in a more professional way than anyone else has tried, what this site plans to do from here on out about this issue.

While no explanation is necessarily owed, I think it may calm down some of these more frantic users who are babbling and not making any sense.

If you would be so good as to humor us and give us some sort of plan, at least vaguely, of what you can and cannot do about this, and what you intend to do, I'm sure your members will appriciate it, even if theres very little you can do in actuality. Just hearing it will put some at ease.

I also notice that this topic is slowly being deleted one page at a time (it had 9 pages and now only has 5), which means my post may be deleted and not given a chance at review or response.

If this is the case, I am not sure whether or not we are allowed to pursue this issue formally at a later date. If not, some clarification of that would certainly be appriciated.

Thank you.

EDIT:

Pursuant to additional answers, I see the original post has been editted to include more information. While most of that information reconciles a majority of the questions, it still does not outline any sort of plan to be executed on this site's behalf.

As I said, such explainations are not owed, and its possible you don't want to tip your hand to the wrong people, but if they are not critical pieces of information, sharing them with your members would probably do away with much of this pressure you are recieving.

Because of a host of other matters (KAF runs more than just Os2, and I also have the other hours of they day I spend to life), I haven't had time to sit down and quite figure out a plan. I have general ideas, but they're too tentative for me to announce them at this point.

This thread has been getting shorter and shorter because I've been cleaning the topic (removing the mountains of rambling posts for example), abeit with a very liberal use of the delete tool.

Quoted FacelessRed (on Jun 15 2006, 07:07 PM) —

Amazing how many posts ask the questions that were answered in the original post. anyway, it is quite a shame Keiichi has been doing alot to make its viewers happy. lets hope they / we can all find a new thing thats as easilly accessible as the Os2 anime listing. maybe a collection of mangas might be easier to host? i know i certainly read em. good luck tho x_x

The original post has been edited numerous times to address new concerns, so a bulk of these messages were made before this knowledge was publicly available.

Quoted xXColdBloodedXx (on Jun 15 2006, 07:50 PM) —

I mean it's really sad... I loved 0s2 and I can't afford to be buying DVDs all the time. I was looking up youtube and I noticed most of the episodes are still there! Hell, all the episodes are still there. I think the KAF crew can fix this with just some time and effort. I really miss Os2.

~Arnaldo Rozon "0m9z I love Z P0k3m5n2!"

This is not the case for most non-mainstream series.

Quoted dizzcity (on Jun 15 2006, 07:52 PM) —

Furthermore, previously KAF got away with building such a large database because YouTube was unaware it existed. Now, however, the staff at YouTube (and probably those other video-hosting services as well) are forewarned and will be actively hunting down and deleting any new additions to the video database that look like anime.

That's incorrect. YouTube has known very well about Keiichi Anime Forever and many other sites that make a large use of their resources. YouTube is very reserved on this matter, and that is how they were able to support a growing community of loyal fans.

Other video-hosting services know as well, but they've always been very active in deleting content they find undesirable.

Quoted dizzcity (on Jun 15 2006, 07:52 PM) —

3) They can get their own server storage space and start hosting the anime episodes themselves. This is still copyright infringement, so the issue above about authorities finding out and serving notice to KAF still applies. However, by hosting the anime episodes on their own server space, they have more control over what episodes are deleted and are no longer bound to YouTube. This, of course, raises the issue of WHICH series to host, which is another thorny problem altogether. Also, to actively store as many videos as the OS2 Anime previous had would require a industrial-strength server and network capacity like YouTube has. KAF would never be able to buy it. Even on normal web hosting plans, the sheer bandwidth it would take up would be immense. This would mean hefty amounts of money need to be paid - either through subscription (with KAF becoming a pay-per-view site), or sustained donations from its members. And we all know just how rich watchers of online anime episodes are.

This is not feasible. You've already addressed the financial issue, and that concerns an unsolvable problem. If we were to charge for the downloads, that would truly be an abuse of the hard work put into anime, and that has very well crossed the line. We have no plans to smooch and gain profit off of this.

Only options one and two are available.

Quoted FacelessRed —

Because of a host of other matters (KAF runs more than just Os2, and I also have the other hours of they day I spend to life), I haven't had time to sit down and quite figure out a plan. I have general ideas, but they're too tentative for me to announce them at this point.

This thread has been getting shorter and shorter because I've been cleaning the topic (removing the mountains of rambling posts for example), abeit with a very liberal use of the delete tool.

I was not expecting a response, but I am glad that I got one. Thank you.

Yeah, just knowing you have ideas is very reassuring. It lets us know that you aren't going to take this lying down. This is not to be misunderstood as expecting action or expecting you would retaliate, just that you would be doing something rather than informing people what has happened.

As for removing the rambling, thats completely your right, and I personally support it. It was becoming very disruptive and depressing, in my opinion.

As you mention about YouTube (to another user in your response), it is clear that YouTube is conflicted on what to do itself. It seemed to only act as a defensive mechanism. I feel strongly that if it had the choice, it would have left the anime there. They were bent over a barrel and they had no real choice but to comply or be on the wrong side of the law.

If they had to take a bullet for us all, then I respect them for that.

It's always been clear to me that YouTube, despite it's rules, allows under-the-table downloads with a wink and nudge. In other words, as you say, they are already aware of sites like yours and without you YouTube would be poorer.

While both of you officially deny any affiliation, its clear that affiliation there anyway, non-officially.

My personal concern is whether doing anything to restore the anime would be in vain. They may just delete it when they see it. They'll be watched like hawks more often now, and anonymous whistle blowers are everywhere.

I just hope this doesn't discourage you guys from either continuing or finding some other means of providing the anime.

Is it possible to keep records of animes on the site so users can at least have an opportunity to see what animes there are?

Also I thank you for all the joy of anime you gave me. I now know how many are actually out there, especially really good ones. I have faith you will do your best and I shall keep coming back definitely and support you!

Jaded Jones: My personal concern is whether doing anything to restore the anime would be in vain. They may just delete it when they see it. They'll be watched like hawks more often now, and anonymous whistle blowers are everywhere.

I just hope this doesn't discourage you guys from either continuing or finding some other means of providing the anime.

Youtube may watch it site like a hawk or it may not. As far as I know, a few of the episodes of Inuyasha that Sevenstars had on her account are still there. Youtube may have only deleted the ones that they had the list about, this way to comply to the press. If it had been so worried about the infringement laws it would have deleted all the anime eposides that can be viewed. Personally the way I see YouTube won't do anything unless it is pushed to do so. If YouTube had already known about KAF and other sites using it for the anime it would have deleted them ages ago, instead they did not make a move until someone wrote and article about it. I don't think YouTube is our worry, it would be the press such as that same people who wrote the article saying something again and YouTube having to delete them again.

As for you concern Dizzy, the 100MB concerns only normal accounts, sevenstars and a few other accounts bypassed this by getting a business account, which allows even a larger upload.

If KAF where to ever charge than it wouldn't be any better than AnimeCrave is now.

And I praise the liberal use of the delete button.

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 15 2006, 09:14 PM) —

Jaded Jones: My personal concern is whether doing anything to restore the anime would be in vain. They may just delete it when they see it. They'll be watched like hawks more often now, and anonymous whistle blowers are everywhere.

I just hope this doesn't discourage you guys from either continuing or finding some other means of providing the anime.

If KAF where to ever charge than it wouldn't be any better than AnimeCrave is now.

We can easily beat AnimeCrave. It's hardly a challenge to build software to automatically upload, re-encode, and label the episodes, essentially building a larger collection. But we're not interested in charging for what we didn't create.

There is already a host of pay-for-anime sites regardless.

That is what I meant when I said "no better than animecrave" there is no point in charging people to view anime that doesn't even belong to them. Besides this site had far more anime than animecrave could touch in which I was happy about.

(By the way delete this post after you read it, I don't want it to clutter it up)

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 15 2006, 09:24 PM) —

That is what I meant when I said "no better than animecrave" there is no point in charging people to view anime that doesn't even belong to them. Besides this site had far more anime than animecrave could touch in which I was happy about.

(By the way delete this post after you read it, I don't want it to clutter it up)

Sorry for my hostile response then; I've been very reactive to all these baseless potshots sent via email or posted here.

In all respects, I'll refrain from deleting because that would destroy the flow of the topic, unless I also edit your original post and delete the replies thereafter.

Quoted hanging gallow[/quote —

Youtube may watch it site like a hawk or it may not. As far as I know, a few of the episodes of Inuyasha that Sevenstars had on her account are still there. Youtube may have only deleted the ones that they had the list about, this way to comply to the press. If it had been so worried about the infringement laws it would have deleted all the anime eposides that can be viewed. Personally the way I see YouTube won't do anything unless it is pushed to do so. If YouTube had already known about KAF and other sites using it for the anime it would have deleted them ages ago, instead they did not make a move until someone wrote and article about it. I don't think YouTube is our worry, it would be the press such as that same people who wrote the article saying something again and YouTube having to delete them again.

As for you concern Dizzy, the 100MB concerns only normal accounts, sevenstars and a few other accounts bypassed this by getting a business account, which allows even a larger upload.

If KAF where to ever charge than it wouldn't be any better than AnimeCrave is now.

And I praise the liberal use of the delete button.

Yes, thats exactly what I'm saying. YouTube knows about this activity but they've done very little about it until now. It looked more like a public compliance to save face than something they actually wanted to do.

What everyone needs to know before they start sharing and uploading again is what YouTube's true intentions are with the material. Because there is not likely to be an official release from a spokesman, we cannot assume that just because they're quiet that it means they're giving us the clear to start uploading again.

Likewise, we shouldn't assume their silence on the matter means that they don't support us either.

If the owner of this website could/would set up a personal conversation with the owners of YouTube and come to some arrangement, that would be good. It should be private and YouTube should avoid making public announcments, as that draws attention to themselves and their dealings with copyright material.

Just assuming isn't good enough, and its quite dangerous to everyone. Wasting precious man hours on uploads they may delete on sight is a squander of that effort and implies we don't respect YouTube.

They need to understand where we are coming from and what fansubbing and the like means and why its important. They must already know why it is, because they've allowed it all this time, but they need to be respectfully reminded of it.

Well, it's too bad that your site is going down in the dumps. But I just wanna let you know that I wish you the best! I know that it's hard replacing all those animes...you might not even get to...but I hope you will!

I'll give you my full support!

Though I'm pretty surprised that most of the animes are gone! *sigh* and kinda bummed.

KeiichiAnimeForever is still my

But until that day comes when the animes will be back again, i will buy some time and dance

Quoted sk89q (on Jun 15 2006, 08:27 PM) —

Sorry for my hostile response then; I've been very reactive to all these baseless potshots sent via email or posted here.

In all respects, I'll refrain from deleting because that would destroy the flow of the topic, unless I also edit your original post and delete the replies thereafter.

That is no problem I wouldn't blame you for being very reactive. I already feel sorry for sevenstars when she logs in on at youtube everyone has been demanding for Inuyasha back, its a terrible sight.

I won't fret about deleting the post, I didn't know if it was cluttering it, or if it did help to the flow.


As for what you are saying Jaded Jones, YouTube specifically says when you upload anything onto their site, that it either must be you work or you have permission to upload the video from the owners. Other than that it is considered infringment. So uploads any anime without permission is already going against YouTube terms.

Now, at the moment we don't know if YouTube is going to allow anime to continuously upload and be supported throughout websites. As you said we cannot assume anything YouTube, or what anyone will really do on the subject matter. As for fansubbing, YouTube may not even care what is said about it, they may still consider it as infringement rights if it is brought up by the press again.

As far as I can see, YouTube never truely did give a right for anyone to upload anime, the users choose to upload them, and YouTube didn't do anything about it. And I really don't think YouTube supports anyone, they will only do what they want and what is best for them, if users choose to upload anime go ahead, but if YouTube gets in trouble be sure to know that YouTube will do as told. I am sure the users understood that if they uploaded the anime that there was a chance it would get deleted (or maybe the user didn't think YouTube would care). Even if YouTube deleted them I don't believe it would stop others from uploading more as well.

Dang, I just started to watch SHUFFLE! too. Oh well, thank you for keeping this site up as long as you did. I was only introduced this site a couple of months ago, but managed to finish around 10 series. Thanks, you made watching anime a LOT quicker, and easier - also more enjoyable.

I hope the issue gets resolved and that Os2 anime will be back up again someday. Thanks staff.

Quoted Jaded Jones (on Jun 15 2006, 09:34 PM) —

If the owner of this website could/would set up a personal conversation with the owners of YouTube and come to some arrangement, that would be good. It should be private and YouTube should avoid making public announcments, as that draws attention to themselves and their dealings with copyright material.

Just assuming isn't good enough, and its quite dangerous to everyone. Wasting precious man hours on uploads they may delete on sight is a squander of that effort and implies we don't respect YouTube.

They need to understand where we are coming from and what fansubbing and the like means and why its important. They must already know why it is, because they've allowed it all this time, but they need to be respectfully reminded of it.

As much as that would be ideal, I think such a meeting would involve too much risk, and surely the distributors wouldn't be satisfied with such a deal if it were to happen and be known.

Quoted sk89q (on Jun 15 2006, 09:10 PM) —

Quoted Jaded Jones (on Jun 15 2006, 09:34 PM) —

If the owner of this website could/would set up a personal conversation with the owners of YouTube and come to some arrangement, that would be good. It should be private and YouTube should avoid making public announcments, as that draws attention to themselves and their dealings with copyright material.

Just assuming isn't good enough, and its quite dangerous to everyone. Wasting precious man hours on uploads they may delete on sight is a squander of that effort and implies we don't respect YouTube.

They need to understand where we are coming from and what fansubbing and the like means and why its important. They must already know why it is, because they've allowed it all this time, but they need to be respectfully reminded of it.

As much as that would be ideal, I think such a meeting would involve too much risk, and surely the distributors wouldn't be satisfied with such a deal if it were to happen and be known.

The only way I can imagine them being satisfied would be if they turned it into a profit like Napaster. This way they would gain some form of pay for the material being watched.

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 15 2006, 10:14 PM) —

The only way I can imagine them being satisfied would be if they turned it into a profit like Napaster. This way they would gain some form of pay for the material being watched.

For the most part, Japanese anime studios have been relatively reserved to fansubbers of unlicensed content. The American media markets of these days have a different view; it's not geared for change.

fine.
you guys decide what you want to do and then post it.
I'm fine with everything you do.
although my first reaction was:"stupid, what did you do?"
(as i always say to my brother when he deletes my stuff from computer...)
i understand now that keiichianime isn't all about the online watching
and it can survive without it.
but I have a small request:
do not ever mention shutting this place down, not even in a joke.
i mean, why should you, you all worked hard to get "here".
" we wont take money from ppl" atitude is the right one no matter what ppl say today.
but i must admit I was laughing when i saw it in your posts,
cause like i said unselfishness is very rare today.
i should know, ppl often call me a fool cause of it.
you silly fools*wink*
honesty doesn't pay up in this worls.
sorry for the previous typos, I was in a rush.
it was rude of me.
i've beeen using english(not my mother tongue) since I was 5,
so it was rude.
i apologize again.
i'll wait to see when will all this clear up.
btw.you did a great job editing the first post in this topic.
i so adore when you ppl say what they don't want/like straight to my face.
good luck.

Don't worry peoples. Just because it was taken off of KAF (which really [censored]es me off...) doesn't mean it can't be found. It was said that it can be downloaded from such sites like animesuki.com. Also, you can go to youtube.com and manually search and watch the shows from there. KAF has gone so far in this type of service and I cannot express how thankful I am for what they do. So here's a big thanks to KAF and the KAF staff! Keep it going strong!

I am seriously dissappointed that this has happened to Keiichianimeforever as well.
Since I was using this site and youtube to see what anime was worth buying. I noticed that many of the licensed works and the users who posted them seem to be suspended at the moment. This was very upsetting, but like it said, they have the right to do as they please.
I sincerly hope that the animes that were deleted are able to be posted again, because it would be a shame to have this site stripped anymore of its content. And they are right the blame dosent lie with Youtube or CNet. It might seem hard now, but Im sure that we will be able to move on. Besides that, keiichianimeforever is one killer site in itself.


Love you Keiichianimeforever and Youtube!!!


Enjou san

DUDE! I was exactly half way through AzuManga Daioh! One day I'm watching episode 13 the next, I've got none! I was also almost finished watching Pita Ten. *Is immune to cuteness* PLUS this was my only way out of One Piece dubbed!

I couldn't find the episodes on YuoTube because they aren't actually named what episodes they are. I went looking for Episode 14 of AzuManga Daioh and it came up with 13 and an AMV. Ah well, may as well wait until Animania comes up to get cheap DVDs.

I was wondering if the administrators could still keep up the information for all the seris that used to be posted even if the episode links don't work anymore, because I used to read this info to get interested in anime I had never seen before. Even if the direct links don't work anymore, we can use this site as an archive and go to youtube directly to view the anime.

You know what. There's this MASSIVE forum behind you. Why not roam around in there and get info on interesting anime?? Huh? just a thought!

This site was so great, I just wanted to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart for introducing me to such great shows as Bleach, FMA, School Rumble and lots more.

You guys did an awsome job, and I'm sure everyone who frequented the site thinks so as well. You guys rock.

so THANK YOU!!!

~Chibi guest from Israel

I love this site id come here at lest once day to watch anime i couldn,t find else where.

How long will this take to fix??

You guys put alot of effort into this thanks! ^-^

Strange...I was still able to watch Azumanga Daioh and Shuffle! on YouTube tho. I finished most of Shuffle! this morning. Episodes 16-24.

Is there anything we can do to help with the animes? Here's an idea. XD It's kinda stupid. People could all send an episode URL to one specific email. They'd have to put the series on the episodes they're sending in the "subject" part of the email. Then in the ACTUAL email, they'd put the serie's name and then number the URLs by the episode's number.

I don't expect anyone to take this post seriously, because I'm new here and this is my first post... so... yeah.

Um.....Guys, I can tell your all ready to reupload the anime that's been lost....


But it's only a matter of time before youtube deletes them again......I don't think that they will be able to stop all of it, but they will keep fighting.

They deleted them because this is illigal, we should just obey the law and move on with our lives.

*shouts* >.< hey, where are the "saiyuki reload" ? I hope that they'll come back soon because i've still not watched the last ones! *starts cryingTT_TT

*stops crying* hum... anyway, thank you a lot for this wonderful site with lots of anime!
=)

But that's not likely anytime soon. In fact, YouTube seems committed to its streaming model, and among many other ways that it's addressed the unauthorized content situation, the site has limited the lengths of newly uploaded content to 10 minutes or less.

That "prevents people from posting full-length programming," Chen said in his statement. "We are continually evaluating the latest DRM technologies and will continue to monitor the situation."

Supan also said that rights holders themselves may upload content longer than 10 minutes. And she said YouTube will soon be announcing major partnerships with rights holders, including some that have previously demanded that the site take down unauthorized content.

But she acknowledged that copyrighted content that was illegally uploaded prior to the adoption of the 10 minute limit may still be in the system.

And that's what likely explains the fact that it's easy to find full episodes of NBC's "Seinfeld," HBO's "Da Ali G Show," ABC's "Sports Night" and many other shows on Peekvid. And by extension, it's also possible, until those shows are removed from YouTube, to rip them using Keepvid.

In any case, Joshua doesn't sound worried that YouTube and rights holders may well take down the bulk of the copyrighted content that gives Peekvid its usefulness.

"Peekvid would simply move on to other video content," he said, "or alternatively, copyright content holders can work with us to promote their material (on) a very simple and easy to use site."

~CNet.News

I couldn't resist the chance of reading the article myself. So that explains why you are no longer able to download anything longer than ten minutes. So far to me this sounds as if YouTube is going to use its site as a way to get money from coporations, or those corporations that complain to get money from people watching on YouTube. This to me seems larger than what I had expected. This may prose to be a larger problem.

Quoted sk89q (on Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM) —

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 15 2006, 10:14 PM) —

The only way I can imagine them being satisfied would be if they turned it into a profit like Napaster. This way they would gain some form of pay for the material being watched.

For the most part, Japanese anime studios have been relatively reserved to fansubbers of unlicensed content. The American media markets of these days have a different view; it's not geared for change.

I couldn't help myself to read the article. As far as I see, I don't think the main problem was the anime, I believe it may have been the other shows that Peekvid and the other host sites had available on their site, such as the NBC, ABC, HBO. I am sure that the only reason anything was said is because those corporations want money, as well as YouTube is willing to give in to a bribe possibly as well. YouTube stated that

{it} will soon be announcing major partnerships with rights holders, including some that have previously demanded that the site take down unauthorized content.

And for YouTube to make it fair, it took down everything that Peekvid had on its site connected to YouTube, including the Anime.

Than again, maybe some of the anime owners did complain but it wasn't stated in the article.

Quoted Guest (on Jun 16 2006, 10:32 AM) —

maybe keiichi could sue???

Impossible, first off KAF would need the finance for the lawyer and etc. second of, there is no way KAF can claim anything to sue about. Even if it could prove that Peekvid took its data, it wouldn't go very far in court due to the mere fact several sites have it as well.

But I did brainstorm an idea, and I am not suggesting KAF do this. It would be a rather large project, along with costing quite a deal, but it would be nice if there was a website sort of like YouTube, however the only videos that could be uploaded would be subbed (not english dubbed) anime.

This would keep large corporations such as Disney and Viacom from stating that they own "such and such show" and state that they must be removed. And this would allow only corporations that owned that anime say anything if they wished to do so.

I don't know it was just a thought I had.

I know now what happened, and I was using . as a back-up site because sometimes my computer would not let keiichianimeforever.com work, but I did know know that . did this. I e-mailed a question asking if you will ever recover the epidsodes and now I know that it's possible but it might take a while. Just as a question, but can you guys sue peekvid or was it okay for them to do that not unlegally? What they did was uhnfair because keiichi anime is an awsome site.I just hope you guys get naruto started again because I was at episode 97 and it stopped right when good things were about to happen!!!

Okay I cant get my computer to log me on so I am just posting as a guest.

Well first of all I love this website, it is any anime fans dream. However recently about 170 naruto episodes were deleted. this makes me sad because naruto is one of my favorite shows. This is to who ever did delete the episodes can you please put them back. untill then I don't really have anything to do on the computer and niether do about 9 of my friends from school who also watch Naruto on this site.

Thank you for your time

--number one Naruto fan--

Off-topic: Looks like Tantal is taking on the role of the Rejector!

Way to go, girl!

hmmm weird that I cant see any news in youtube about the current happenings.....I have a account on youtube but I cant seem to find any news about this incident .
Oh well isnt there anyway we can somehow use a temporary stream place or somehow sort things out with youtube?

Well, all I can hope is that this problem doesn't continue with the remaining links. I'm not up for having my anime deleted as well as my account. If this is what happened to so many of my YouTubing friends lately, I feel really bad for them.

Quoted flcooly (on Jun 16 2006, 03:02 PM) —

Off-topic: Looks like Tantal is taking on the role of the Rejector!

Way to go, girl!

Also Off-topic:

Well, someone has to do it.


On-topic:

I don't really have anything to add, but all this support is overwhelming.
We really appreciate it.

Aw man! I was watching Mai-Hime, Mai-Otome and Naruto!
Jeez, I was NEARLY done!

no me podrian dar otra pag donde yo pueda descargar todos los cap d tsubasa chronicle pork ustedes ya
no lo tienen

pliz!!

Yeah this does suck. I was on episode 16 of Card Captor Sakura when all this happened. I found ep. 16, 18, 19 and 20 on Youtube but i just can't seem to find ep. 17. Not on Youtube or anywhere else. I can't even download it on LimeWire.

But i do thank Kaf for all their hard work. If it weren't 4 them i wouldn't have seen Fushigi Yughi and Ceres. So thanks again! And the best of luck!

This is just too bad i just found out about this site 1 week ago.... anyway thx for all the hard work KAF and good luck

And it seems that many off the members here like Bleach, and as a Bleach fan i can´t stand too see other Bleach fans suffer i now 2 Great webbsite were you can direct download every episode of Bleach for free but i don't know if its allowed to post links here...

but i post it here anyway:

www.BleachPortal.com
www.BleachExile.com

you can download it in both direct zip-format(ca:40mb) and bitorrent(ca:175mb)
and if its now allowed to post links here then you can just delete this post.

(Sry for my bad english i am from sweden and i am not so good at eng.)

Quoted Guest (on Jun 15 2006, 11:57 PM) —

do not ever mention shutting this place down, not even in a joke.
i mean, why should you, you all worked hard to get "here".

Although we may present a professional tone, fun and jokes are everyday here, so I can't promise you that.

And anything can happen. Nothing can be sure in this world.

Quoted Guest (on Jun 16 2006, 01:30 AM) —

I was wondering if the administrators could still keep up the information for all the seris that used to be posted even if the episode links don't work anymore, because I used to read this info to get interested in anime I had never seen before. Even if the direct links don't work anymore, we can use this site as an archive and go to youtube directly to view the anime.

99% of our descriptions were from http://www.animenewsnetwork.com or http://www.animenfo.com. They have larger, more updated collections.

Quoted animeholik (on Jun 16 2006, 09:40 AM) —

Is there anything we can do to help with the animes? Here's an idea. XD It's kinda stupid. People could all send an episode URL to one specific email. They'd have to put the series on the episodes they're sending in the "subject" part of the email. Then in the ACTUAL email, they'd put the serie's name and then number the URLs by the episode's number.

I don't expect anyone to take this post seriously, because I'm new here and this is my first post... so... yeah.

We would get thousands of submissions in a day. We can't process that.

Quoted Athos (on Jun 16 2006, 10:09 AM) —

I can tell you all are ready to reupload the anime that's been lost, but it's only a matter of time before YouTube deletes them again.

They deleted it because of the press.

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 16 2006, 10:39 AM) —

I couldn't resist the chance of reading the article myself. So that explains why you are no longer able to download anything longer than ten minutes. So far to me this sounds as if YouTube is going to use its site as a way to get money from coporations, or those corporations that complain to get money from people watching on YouTube. This to me seems larger than what I had expected. This may prose to be a larger problem.

I don't think YouTube wants to be on the side of the big corporations. What they mentioned in the article is very finely crafted to look good in my opinion.

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 16 2006, 10:48 AM) —

Quoted sk89q (on Jun 15 2006, 09:20 PM) —

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 15 2006, 10:14 PM) —

The only way I can imagine them being satisfied would be if they turned it into a profit like Napaster. This way they would gain some form of pay for the material being watched.

For the most part, Japanese anime studios have been relatively reserved to fansubbers of unlicensed content. The American media markets of these days have a different view; it's not geared for change.

I couldn't help myself to read the article. As far as I see, I don't think the main problem was the anime, I believe it may have been the other shows that Peekvid and the other host sites had available on their site, such as the NBC, ABC, HBO. I am sure that the only reason anything was said is because those corporations want money, as well as YouTube is willing to give in to a bribe possibly as well. YouTube stated that

{it} will soon be announcing major partnerships with rights holders, including some that have previously demanded that the site take down unauthorized content.

And for YouTube to make it fair, it took down everything that Peekvid had on its site connected to YouTube, including the Anime.

Than again, maybe some of the anime owners did complain but it wasn't stated in the article.

It was entirely because of the American shows. Anime websites get no publicity except within our anime community.

Quoted hanging gallow (on Jun 16 2006, 11:43 AM) —

Quoted Guest (on Jun 16 2006, 10:32 AM) —

maybe keiichi could sue???

Impossible, first off KAF would need the finance for the lawyer and etc. second of, there is no way KAF can claim anything to sue about. Even if it could prove that Peekvid took its data, it wouldn't go very far in court due to the mere fact several sites have it as well.

But I did brainstorm an idea, and I am not suggesting KAF do this. It would be a rather large project, along with costing quite a deal, but it would be nice if there was a website sort of like YouTube, however the only videos that could be uploaded would be subbed (not english dubbed) anime.

This would keep large corporations such as Disney and Viacom from stating that they own "such and such show" and state that they must be removed. And this would allow only corporations that owned that anime say anything if they wished to do so.

I don't know it was just a thought I had.

It would cost upwards of thousands a month. We would actually become a good way for groups to host direct downloads of their episodes though, but the cost just makes the idea implausible.

Quoted Camila (on Jun 16 2006, 11:44 AM) —

I know now what happened, and I was using . as a back-up site because sometimes my computer would not let keiichianimeforever.com work, but I did know know that . did this. I e-mailed a question asking if you will ever recover the epidsodes and now I know that it's possible but it might take a while. Just as a question, but can you guys sue peekvid or was it okay for them to do that not unlegally? What they did was uhnfair because keiichi anime is an awsome site.I just hope you guys get naruto started again because I was at episode 97 and it stopped right when good things were about to happen!!!

There are other legal problems involved than just an index.

Suddenly, I've found this interesting. To keep myself from going insane, I'm watching anime I thought I'd never watch. Like just a second ago I found myself watching .hack//Legend of the Twilight Bracelet. I hated .hack//Sign and so I thought this would be as bad but I found it quite good. You all should stop worrying about what you can't watch and pay attention to what you can watch! If worse comes to worse, save a little money and buy the damn series yourself.

well this is just dandy. bit torrents don't seem to work on my computer (if anyone has any advice it would be appreciated) and where i live has one store that carries anime dvd's and they don't have very many poo anywayz yeah

I have used this site for quite a while, this happened sudden,it is hard to get use to. I just hope you can get the site into it's original pace as soon as possible. I am very happy that you informed us about this and gave us the explanation as well as the warnings on not to blame it on someone. But please-I know this is annoying, but- Get the site but on track! I can die without anime!

Hi all, I'm back again with some thoughts. Please bare with me, its a long post. If you don't wish to bother, then don't. Its as simple as that.

I was double-checking last night on YouTube to see if Oh! My Goddess TV was deleted, and a majority of the first season is not, and yet, the second season is all but gone (fortuantely I've seen everything up until what's currently subbed, so it doesn't affect me).

Fansubbing on the second season is only up to episode 7 (Peorth's entrance), and I noticed that the member who is responsible for the uploading of the majority of the second season was suspsended and his uploads removed. The messege says he removed them, but we know he didn't and they did.

Anyways, it turns out he created another account soon after and he's already resubmitting the second season in defiance.

Some things that troubled me are the ways he did it. This is where my actual point of this post comes in, and where Oh! My Goddess! is just an example.

For example, in his profile, he openly admits who he is, what he did, the series he had uploaded before, and the ones he's currently going to try and restore.

He also puts "RELOADED" in the titles of the uploads, which is like crying out to the mods "Here I am! Ban me!"

I'm thinking we need to teach uploaders better ways to avoid getting caught so the anime stays up longer before YouTube gets to it.

For example:

1.) We know that mods search by tags. If tags are optional, its better that they don't add them to anime they upload them. These allow mods to track uploaders better, so we shouldn't have them, if its optional.

2.) We know that first and foremost, mods search by series title and name. So I suggest we start naming the files differently. Instead of giving away exactly what the title is, we should use abbriviations to make it harder to track.

Instead of "Oh! My Goddess! Second Season Episode 1 (Part 1 of 3)"

it could be

"OMG2NDSEP.1P1O3"

I'm sure you're all aware how it can be difficult to find something by merely searching for it with certain words. Certain words aren't good enough, and some words don't return any search results, while others do.

Because OMG2NDSEP.1P1O3 is practically a code, it would als