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Sandal Phone
Posted: 2006-10-06, 08:29 AM


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From some booklets I've been reading, and even some from wikipedia, I got the impression that if I rape one of my teacher, she will go to jail for having secks with a minor, and I will be a victim of sexual abuse. Is this true? Because if it is, I know who to rape.
Sounds stupid, but the article I read said that it is still statutory rape even if the minor was the one who initiated the action.
Don't you think this is unfair? But if it's true, I might as well take advantage of it.
But putting my personal desires aside, there are some issues I want to raise.

First, don't you think minors gets an unfair advantage in the legal system? I know Laws differ from country to country, or even between states, but generally, kids under 10 are exempted and kids between 10-16 get unfair advantages such as more lenient penalties, children's court (protection from press).
Now in this case, rape, minors can rape too. Kids 'mature' sexually around the age of 12. From there on, they should be totally prosecutable.

Second, I love j00!!!! women get unfair attention. Maybe you don't have this anywhere else in the world, but in Australia, there is an annoying TV ad about Violence against woman. It says things like "It's never your fault", "That's sexual assault", "Violence against women, Australia says NO!".
It's freaking annoying, when you just focus one side of an issue. But this is the government, It's even more I love j00!!!! annoying. Men are getting raped too, by other men, or older women, or even younger women.

I guess I streched the topic a bit broad...
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Posted: 2006-10-06, 09:45 AM


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You bring up lot of good point in your topic, the media and public only look at one side of the issues. Plus think that all women are angels. There have been some case were the two women teachers have rape their students and were given least then five years in jail. I'am like if this was a male teachers this would be whole different story, the public would ask for his head instead, while a woman they would feel sorry for. The system and way we handle section things in this country is upside down. Again, you are right men and young boys are getting rape too, but the public thinks that all lies and why would man be rape?

Then about the booklet you read, I think whoever wrote it should go back-to-school and you are right if student rapes a teacher they will never get into trouble, a least that how it sounds to me about this information you got hold of. The way are legal system is which is a mess, the system does not understand that young people do have mind and can do awful things as well, for example the in early the 90' or we had those school shootings.
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Posted: 2006-10-06, 03:21 PM


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It doesn't count as the teachers fault if they were unwilling. At that point, they're the victim and you're the one charged with rape. I guess you didn't fully think this out.

I think you're using the word in a different sense, though. My guess is you might be saying that the sexual activity is concensual, but the minor initiated it. If it is concensual, it is still staturory rape, since the adult is 'exploiting' the minor.

As for the sexual assault, that's entirely true, and its not a double standard or anything. Men and women have a different mentality, and women on average are the physically weaker of the two. By that alone, odds are it'll be the more physically able person that will be the agressive one while the weaker one the submissive who will suffer. Unless its a matter of life and death, violence should never be employed to deal with a problem, specially one such as spousal abuse.
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Posted: 2006-10-06, 08:28 PM


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Sadly, in the case of teachers being raped by students, it's the student's word against the teacher's. If the student decides to say that they did not rape the teacher and it was consentual, then people are more likely to believe the teenager.

In my opinion, sexual violence is the same for both genders. If someone sexually assualts a male, be it a man or woman, he should have the same rights as a woman. For some reason, people stereotype men as "always wanting it" and that if a woman approaches a man for secks then he'll say yes.

I know a man who was stalked by his ex girlfriend and tried to violate him. He tried to get a restraining order and get her charged for sexual assualt, but they wouldn't believe him so he had to deal with it until he moved away.


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Posted: 2006-10-08, 03:28 PM


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Its been a while since I last herd about a female teacher raping a student, but from what I remember I do feel it is unfair.

I think the system was build at a time when students were less sexually active, or at least people wore ignorant or unwilling to accept it was going on. Also the laws were meant to be against Men who exploit female students [not that I am saying it has to be that way round]. When I herd about the first case [in the 80s?] it was quite shocking but the female teacher went to prison and thats that.

Its well known that significant numbers of students past puberty are sexually active so I wonder how relevant the laws intended to protect them against secks is? It has to be revised at the very least.

In the case of the female teacher raping, its got something to do with, her being an adult, being responsible and being in a parent type contracts [at least in British schools] with students. The teachers are responsible for students safety and are seen as being in a position of great influence.

I think the current laws are unfair as they need to be updated, or at least take into account that children today are far more knowledgeable and confident is certain areas, but then again a teacher can still have great influence over students, so who is to say that the Judge was wrong in passing judgement.

On the other point of having lenient sentences for juveniles, I personally agree with it. I think the basic reasons are that they are just kids.

As kids they are seen to be still malleable. Its far easier to change a Childs personality than an adults so trying to get them back into society quicker I think is a good thing, so long as they try to fully rehabilitate.

Another reason for leniency is that they may have not fully understood the seriousness of what they did as they may not know right from wrong. Its hoped that by not classing these kids as adults, they will learn what they did wrong and become good members of the community.

The only part of that I disagree with is where someone gets away from a long sentence as they happened to be arrested a few days before they turned 18. The 18 cut off point is a bit off I think. It should be up to a judge to say if someone can be deemed malleable and not base it purely on age.


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Posted: 2006-10-19, 12:46 AM


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I don't know about other countries.
However, according to the revised penal code in the Philippines and several decided cases.

Rape by someone 15 and above or someone who acted with discernment
to be determined by the judge from the facts and circumstance surrounding the case
is punishable by the same penalty as someone who has reached the age of majority (18). However, the penalty is mitigated by 1. Thus, the corresponding penalty next lower in degree is imposed. This means that the death penalty can never be imposed on a minor, but it doesn't set him free from criminal liability.
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Posted: 2006-10-19, 04:19 PM


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First, don't you think minors gets an unfair advantage in the legal system?


Yeah, minors can do whatever they want and get away with a slap on the hand. And being grounded for a week. There should be more strict rules for a minor who breaks the law. That would put a stop to a lot of crimes.
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Posted: 2006-10-20, 11:22 PM


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Well, I think that whoever started it should get the trouble... teachers, wether they be male or female, and students.
If your fully aware of what your intending to do, it's your fault.
And if said teacher/student gives in, then I guess it's a problem you both have to deal with.
If you both engage in sexual activities willingly and more than once, than no one can point the finger later on.

Women... well, being a woman myself, I wouldn't go against protecting women.
But I'm guessing the whole point is that women are suppoused to be more delicate, and "protected", although alot more women can actually take matters into their owns hands.
And it's true that most women are'nt angels, as well.


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