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sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-18, 09:16 PM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	For most of the images that will be made in this forum, saving the image as a 24-bit PNG will result in huge filesizes that will no doubt be in clear violation of KAF rules. If you're going to save your image as a paletted image, an 8-bit PNG is recommended. An 8-bit PNG allows up to 256 colors which should be good enough hopefully. If you use Adobe Photoshop, here are instructions to save as a 8-bit PNG: File -> Save for Web... Select PNG-8 128 Dithered Change Colors to 256 if your image does not work well enough under only 128 colors Adjust dither if needed Save GIF is not recommended except for animation. GIF's compression algorithm is not as good as PNG's. Note: Photoshop and several other programs do not store gamma information with very high compatibility and as a result, Internet Explorer may display the image's color incorrectly. The only software I know to correctly save the gamma info is Macromedia Fireworks. ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-09-19, 06:55 AM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. okay, but PNG-24 supports better transparency.

sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-19, 08:57 PM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Soraiya	Posted: 2005-09-19, 09:06 PM
Hinamori - shoui, 1st Division Group: Local Resident Posts: 3,011 Joined: 20 March 2005	Whoa..weird..so different browsers show images in different ways as well.. ------------------- Inuyasha Fanclub Owner & Vice-Captain of 1st Division [13 Souls Gotei - Soul Society] KAF Friends Sorano, Crystal_Higamuri, Fumoffu, Kiara, BetaBeta, Darkmatter53, inuyasha_evan, Sakura231loveSasuke, Psychotic Angel (Verina), Hitsugaya (Yahiko), Iwikiwi (Darkness) and Jayu Makusho!!! (taicho Jajoo) -Friend Bio List- (Yep...I'm finally making one, like what... o.O Hitsu is doing) ^Click the siggy (Spiffy thanks to Jayu for the set!) for the Clubs I'm in & Friends List! Adding a Friend by friend analysis list!^ [Siggy stuff updated]

sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-19, 10:01 PM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	No, it's just Internet Explorer because it's messed up. This is fixed in IE7 though. ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-09-22, 10:39 PM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 20 2005, 02:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. more like..very light cyan

sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-23, 11:13 PM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	QUOTE (Aurora_sword @ Sep 22 2005, 10:39 PM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 20 2005, 02:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. more like..very light cyan It depends on your system actually :3 ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Heroine of Time	Posted: 2005-09-24, 05:23 AM
I think we have an emergency. Group: Local Resident Posts: 3,966 Joined: 15 May 2005	QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? ------------------- Phoenix Wright: Turnabout Sisters Audio Drama - Produced/Mixed by me! I want to be a Voice Actress! :<

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-09-24, 09:17 PM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 11:23 PM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? maybe that's PNG-32!

sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-25, 08:27 AM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 05:23 AM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; It IS true. IE <= 7 does NOT have the ability to display 24-BIT transparent PNGs. It is possible with hacks, but it is not an automatic inherent ability of IE. Note that I did not mention all transpencies. I didn't mention Firefox. Firefox and all other major browsers support PNG. QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 05:23 AM) Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? No. Photoshop does not even ask you what format of PNG you want to save it when you use File -> Save As. QUOTE (Aurora_sword @ Sep 24 2005, 09:17 PM) QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 11:23 PM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? maybe that's PNG-32! There is no PNG-32. ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Heroine of Time	Posted: 2005-09-25, 08:30 AM
I think we have an emergency. Group: Local Resident Posts: 3,966 Joined: 15 May 2005	ok then...i just checked and it saves my PNG's as a PNG-8...apperently... but what if some of us want to do transparencies? (not me, i hate that stuff) ------------------- Phoenix Wright: Turnabout Sisters Audio Drama - Produced/Mixed by me! I want to be a Voice Actress! :<

sk89q	Posted: 2005-09-25, 08:32 AM
Razzle Dazzle Sunshine Bean Group: THE WEIRDO WHO MADE THIS SITE Posts: 12,122 Joined: 20 March 2004	QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 25 2005, 08:30 AM) ok then...i just checked and it saves my PNG's as a PNG-8...apperently... but what if some of us want to do transparencies? (not me, i hate that stuff) Save as an 8-bit PNG. --- Also: random note: the way Photoshop saves gamma for PNGs, colors of PNGs in images will look different in Internet Explorer. The only editor that I know of and have tested that saves PNGs so that they appear the same in IE is Fireworks. ------------------- Fanlistings: Peacemaker Kurogane ~ Code Geass Music ~ Gurren Lagann

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-09-25, 08:37 AM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 26 2005, 02:27 AM) QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 05:23 AM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; It IS true. IE <= 7 does NOT have the ability to display 24-BIT transparent PNGs. It is possible with hacks, but it is not an automatic inherent ability of IE. Note that I did not mention all transpencies. I didn't mention Firefox. Firefox and all other major browsers support PNG. QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 05:23 AM) Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? No. Photoshop does not even ask you what format of PNG you want to save it when you use File -> Save As. QUOTE (Aurora_sword @ Sep 24 2005, 09:17 PM) QUOTE (Heroine of Time @ Sep 24 2005, 11:23 PM) QUOTE (sk89q @ Sep 19 2005, 08:57 PM) Not in IE. All transparent or translucent parts will appear a grey. That's not necessarily true, i use IE and Fire Fox, and transparencies are still lookin...well...transparent...for me at least...but if yu're talking about the blue thing that stands as a background on transparent siggies, then yeah i see that on IE...but only like 10% of the time... PFFT! Grey...>>; Anyway, i always go to Save>Save As>PNG Isn't that ok? maybe that's PNG-32! There is no PNG-32. Yes there is! Macromedia FIreworks saves its files in PNG-32 format, I think.

Heroine of Time	Posted: 2005-09-25, 10:08 AM
I think we have an emergency. Group: Local Resident Posts: 3,966 Joined: 15 May 2005	there is actually a PNG-32 format...O.o ------------------- Phoenix Wright: Turnabout Sisters Audio Drama - Produced/Mixed by me! I want to be a Voice Actress! :<

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-09-29, 08:47 PM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. There is indeed, undeniably.

Heroine of Time	Posted: 2005-09-30, 07:25 PM
I think we have an emergency. Group: Local Resident Posts: 3,966 Joined: 15 May 2005	Undeniably so...O.o ------------------- Phoenix Wright: Turnabout Sisters Audio Drama - Produced/Mixed by me! I want to be a Voice Actress! :<

Aurora_sword	Posted: 2005-10-02, 03:00 AM
Banned Joined: 31 January 2005	Note: 'Aurora_sword' was banned from the community for failing to adhere to the community standards. Reasoning: violating the rules. What about TIFF images?

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